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  • Hopea
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    Hello, I’ll try and keep this short by providing an example right out the gate.

    Someone takes Martial Training Feats for Mithral Current. Mithral Current is based on Perform (Dance), a CHA based skill, meaning it’s Initiation Modifier when taken with Martial Training is CHA.

    My question is, what would happen if someone were to key their Perform (Dance) to a different attribute. Such as INT (via Clever Wordplay, for example).
    Would they still use CHA, or would they use INT?

    Patrick Kelley
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    Martial Training I (Combat)
    You’ve learned the basics in a martial discipline.
    Prerequisite(s): Base attack bonus +3 or Knowledge (martial) 3 ranks.
    Benefit(s): Select a martial discipline. The associated skill for this discipline is now a class skill. Your martial initiator level maneuvers granted by this feat (and subsequent Martial Training feats) is equal to half your character level + your attribute modifier that modifies your chosen discipline for use with this discipline (example, Dexterity for a discipline that uses Acrobatics), not to exceed your character level. Likewise, your initiation modifier is the attribute modifier that effects the associated skill of this chosen discipline (for example, Charisma if the discipline uses Diplomacy). You may select any two maneuvers from the 1st level maneuvers from this discipline, and you may ready one of your maneuvers for use. You may recover one maneuver by expending a full round action to recover it.
    Special: If you ever gain levels in a martial adept class or possess them previously, these maneuvers continue to use their own initiator level and recovery method, independent of your martial adept level. Those wishing to add new maneuvers from a discipline that is already available to their class should instead select the Advanced Study feat instead.

    Patrick Kelley
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    I had asked a nearly identical question on the old forums, the response I got was that you absolutely use the new attribute for your initiation modifier. The caveat I’ll add is that I don’t exactly remember if a staff member gave me the response, however I took the response seriously and I wouldn’t normally if a non-staff member answered the question.

    So take that with a grain of salt.

    Selvokaz
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    My take on this is a little different. “Likewise, your initiation modifier is the attribute modifier that effects the associated skill of this chosen discipline.” in my opinion discipline becomes its own unique thing outside of “Your modifications.” So even though you took a feat that changed how you calculate your Perform “dance”, it shouldn’t effect how the discipline itself works because the discipline existed long before you came along.

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